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		<title>Comment on On Spiritual Abuse by Resources for Titus 2:10 - 12</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2011/09/20/on-spiritual-abuse/#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Resources for Titus 2:10 - 12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and Truth Came by Jesus &#124; Mercy Planet1On Spiritual Abuse &#124; Bensonian  [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Criteria for Reading by sunday</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2011/04/22/criteria-for-reading/#comment-1766</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i want to know all the criteria for reading]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want to know all the criteria for reading</p>
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		<title>Comment on Home Feelings by Christopher Daradics</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/02/02/home-feelings/#comment-1751</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Daradics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sentence haunts me, &quot;We have had too many divorces, we have consumed too much transportation, we have lived too shallowly in too many places.&quot;

I&#039;m looking forward to read Stegner&#039;s book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sentence haunts me, &#8220;We have had too many divorces, we have consumed too much transportation, we have lived too shallowly in too many places.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to read Stegner&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Attach yourself to a counter-tradition and school of thought&#8221; by Hiller</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/02/06/attach-yourself-to-a-counter-tradition-and-school-of-thought/#comment-1748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[best line: &quot;rebellion without a rigorous alternative vision is just a feeble spasm.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>best line: &#8220;rebellion without a rigorous alternative vision is just a feeble spasm.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Anti-Religious Obama Presidency by Christopher Benson</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/02/04/the-anti-religious-obama-presidency/#comment-1746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jake:

This afternoon I had a spirited conversation with a Christian friend who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and remains supportive of his presidency, even though he disagrees with the recent assaults on religious liberty. He made an allowance for the President, as if the dirty hands belong to his underlings. Just as I held George W. Bush – more than John Ashcroft or Donald Rumsfeld – ultimately responsible for the preemptive war in Iraq and its mismanagement (e.g., enhanced interrogation techniques, Abu Ghraib prison scandal), I hold Barack Obama – more than Eric Holder or Kathleen Sebelius – ultimately responsible for his administration&#039;s attacks on religious liberty. The buck stops at the president, as Harry Truman famously said. We vote for the President – not the Health &amp; Human Services Secretary or Attorney General.

I regarded an unjust war in Iraq and torture as a &quot;deal breaker&quot; in my support for Bush. So too, I regard an unconstitutional and, dare I say, un-Christian assault on religious liberty as a deal breaker. Obama&#039;s actions against religion are not &quot;fairly minor,&quot; as my friend suggested. They are egregious. 

While I am not committed to voting for Mitt Romney in the general election and may abstain altogether, I think it&#039;s highly ironic that the &quot;cult follower&quot; (Romney) would probably be a greater defender of religious liberty, given the persecution of the Mormon Church in the United States, than &quot;the born-again Christian&quot; (Obama).

To exonerate myself from the perception that I suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome, let me go on the record for saying that I support the administration for . . .

* Ending the war in Iraq started by the Bush administration.
* Ending the harsh interrogation methods sanctioned by the Bush administration.
* Ordering the assassination of Osama bin Laden.
* Continuing the Bush administration&#039;s disruption and dismantling of Al-Qaeda. 
* Using drones in the war against terrorism.
* Supporting the repeal of &quot;Don&#039;t Ask Don&#039;t Tell&quot; policy.
* Requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. 
* Preventing children from being refused health insurance coverage.
* Beginning a reform of the military to reflect present day threats and technology.
* Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel.
* Improving benefits for veterans.
* Rejecting the Keystone XL project.
* Increasing federal spending and tax incentives for renewable and clean energy. 
* Appointing Dr. Francis Collins as Director to the National Institutes of Health.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake:</p>
<p>This afternoon I had a spirited conversation with a Christian friend who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and remains supportive of his presidency, even though he disagrees with the recent assaults on religious liberty. He made an allowance for the President, as if the dirty hands belong to his underlings. Just as I held George W. Bush – more than John Ashcroft or Donald Rumsfeld – ultimately responsible for the preemptive war in Iraq and its mismanagement (e.g., enhanced interrogation techniques, Abu Ghraib prison scandal), I hold Barack Obama – more than Eric Holder or Kathleen Sebelius – ultimately responsible for his administration&#8217;s attacks on religious liberty. The buck stops at the president, as Harry Truman famously said. We vote for the President – not the Health &amp; Human Services Secretary or Attorney General.</p>
<p>I regarded an unjust war in Iraq and torture as a &#8220;deal breaker&#8221; in my support for Bush. So too, I regard an unconstitutional and, dare I say, un-Christian assault on religious liberty as a deal breaker. Obama&#8217;s actions against religion are not &#8220;fairly minor,&#8221; as my friend suggested. They are egregious. </p>
<p>While I am not committed to voting for Mitt Romney in the general election and may abstain altogether, I think it&#8217;s highly ironic that the &#8220;cult follower&#8221; (Romney) would probably be a greater defender of religious liberty, given the persecution of the Mormon Church in the United States, than &#8220;the born-again Christian&#8221; (Obama).</p>
<p>To exonerate myself from the perception that I suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome, let me go on the record for saying that I support the administration for . . .</p>
<p>* Ending the war in Iraq started by the Bush administration.<br />
* Ending the harsh interrogation methods sanctioned by the Bush administration.<br />
* Ordering the assassination of Osama bin Laden.<br />
* Continuing the Bush administration&#8217;s disruption and dismantling of Al-Qaeda.<br />
* Using drones in the war against terrorism.<br />
* Supporting the repeal of &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; policy.<br />
* Requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.<br />
* Preventing children from being refused health insurance coverage.<br />
* Beginning a reform of the military to reflect present day threats and technology.<br />
* Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel.<br />
* Improving benefits for veterans.<br />
* Rejecting the Keystone XL project.<br />
* Increasing federal spending and tax incentives for renewable and clean energy.<br />
* Appointing Dr. Francis Collins as Director to the National Institutes of Health.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Anti-Religious Obama Presidency by Jake Meador</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/02/04/the-anti-religious-obama-presidency/#comment-1745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake Meador]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christopher - I&#039;m not going to vote for him for the reasons you laid out. That said, I do wish a similarly-strong case had been made for opposing the Bush administration&#039;s irresponsible wars, use of torture, disastrous fiscal policy (in some ways worse than Obama&#039;s, I&#039;d argue), etc. 

I guess my gripe is that the evangelical outrage machine still seems to be very one-dimensional when both parties are deserving of it. (And I would add that if you&#039;re resolved to vote for one candidate or the other, I don&#039;t think the case against Obama is nearly as clear cut as it is if you&#039;re committed to a more idealistic approach in which you&#039;re perfectly content to abstain. If you &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to choose between Obama or Romney... man, I might still vote Obama. Of course, I&#039;m choosing to abstain entirely, so it ends up being a moot point.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher &#8211; I&#8217;m not going to vote for him for the reasons you laid out. That said, I do wish a similarly-strong case had been made for opposing the Bush administration&#8217;s irresponsible wars, use of torture, disastrous fiscal policy (in some ways worse than Obama&#8217;s, I&#8217;d argue), etc. </p>
<p>I guess my gripe is that the evangelical outrage machine still seems to be very one-dimensional when both parties are deserving of it. (And I would add that if you&#8217;re resolved to vote for one candidate or the other, I don&#8217;t think the case against Obama is nearly as clear cut as it is if you&#8217;re committed to a more idealistic approach in which you&#8217;re perfectly content to abstain. If you <i>have</i> to choose between Obama or Romney&#8230; man, I might still vote Obama. Of course, I&#8217;m choosing to abstain entirely, so it ends up being a moot point.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Something there is that doesn&#8217;t love a wall&#8221;: Essay on generic evangelicalism by Kevin Clark</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/02/03/something-there-is-that-doesnt-love-a-wall-essay-on-generic-evangelicalism/#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christopher, I just had time to read the last paragraphs posted here, and it is really powerful stuff—here&#039;s to post-evangelicalism and leaving the hallway!

I think you accurately summed up the situation here:

&quot;I am still restless with “evangelical” (uppercase, in my reading) as a descriptor of my own religious identity. That restlessness owes to what I perceive as the cultural captivity and politicization of the movement during my lifetime. Add to this “the anointed” authority structure, pointless heresy hunting, institutional weakness, ad hoc liturgy, anti-intellectualism, middlebrow aesthetics, and flaccid theology (“moralistic, therapeutic deism”)—and you will begin to understand the winter of my discontent.&quot; 

I think there are important consequences to this idea that would be great to talk out:

&quot;...my restlessness with evangelicalism is sensible because a protest movement should never be &#039;put forward as an alternative to the creeds of the existing communions.&#039; &quot;

I agree completely when you write: &quot;Generic evangelicalism is just too damn generic for deep discipleship.&quot;  I think this is exactly what Lewis had in mind when he said you have to leave the hallway to be fed.  The danger for our generation—the burned-over (out?) children of evangelicals—is that we have learned well the lessons of generic christianity.  We have been discipled for homelessness.

Interestingly, I think there is a connection between what you write here and your interest in two-kingdoms theology, at least I&#039;d like to see you explore that.

Thanks so much for the article!  When the kids (who have just gotten up and broken my quiet reading time) are less in need of dad&#039;s attention, I look forward to reading your full treatment in Books and Culture.

Kevin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, I just had time to read the last paragraphs posted here, and it is really powerful stuff—here&#8217;s to post-evangelicalism and leaving the hallway!</p>
<p>I think you accurately summed up the situation here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am still restless with “evangelical” (uppercase, in my reading) as a descriptor of my own religious identity. That restlessness owes to what I perceive as the cultural captivity and politicization of the movement during my lifetime. Add to this “the anointed” authority structure, pointless heresy hunting, institutional weakness, ad hoc liturgy, anti-intellectualism, middlebrow aesthetics, and flaccid theology (“moralistic, therapeutic deism”)—and you will begin to understand the winter of my discontent.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think there are important consequences to this idea that would be great to talk out:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;my restlessness with evangelicalism is sensible because a protest movement should never be &#8216;put forward as an alternative to the creeds of the existing communions.&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree completely when you write: &#8220;Generic evangelicalism is just too damn generic for deep discipleship.&#8221;  I think this is exactly what Lewis had in mind when he said you have to leave the hallway to be fed.  The danger for our generation—the burned-over (out?) children of evangelicals—is that we have learned well the lessons of generic christianity.  We have been discipled for homelessness.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I think there is a connection between what you write here and your interest in two-kingdoms theology, at least I&#8217;d like to see you explore that.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the article!  When the kids (who have just gotten up and broken my quiet reading time) are less in need of dad&#8217;s attention, I look forward to reading your full treatment in Books and Culture.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which community dost thou love? by Bryce Carlisle</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/01/29/which-community-dost-thou-love/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryce Carlisle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliant.   Thanks for sharing this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant.   Thanks for sharing this!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The death of the author? by Russell Almon</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2012/01/28/the-death-of-the-author/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Almon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://desperatetheologian.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/697/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DesperateTheologian&lt;/a&gt; and commented: 
Some good excerpts from one of my favorite books!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://desperatetheologian.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/697/" rel="nofollow">DesperateTheologian</a> and commented:<br />
Some good excerpts from one of my favorite books!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflections on C. S. Lewis&#8217; Surprised By Joy by MCG</title>
		<link>http://bensonian.org/2011/03/03/reflections-on-c-s-lewis-surprised-by-joy/#comment-1729</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MCG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, this is a really good analysis / rumination on this subject. I&#039;m writing a poem about &quot;the apple&quot; and the CS Lewis quotes about joy were helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, this is a really good analysis / rumination on this subject. I&#8217;m writing a poem about &#8220;the apple&#8221; and the CS Lewis quotes about joy were helpful.</p>
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